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Played this last night, had a really good time tracking down all of the identities. This gets about as close to scratching the same itch as Obra Dinn as any game I’ve played. Great stuff.


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I'd appreciate if you edit out your spoilers, but yes, there are answers for both. One is located on a webpage and the other is located in a periodical article.

If you come to the discord I (or someone else) can tell you the answers less vaguely, if you'd like.

Oh, my bad, I’ve removed the spoilers now.

No problem, I really appreciate it! Because your questions are now removed I can kinda answer both a bit more vaguely without giving anything away to people that don't already know the answers/questions. 

The male's job in particular that you were missing is in a magazine article. It's easy to skip over the significance of it because the article is about that person's offspring, not them directly.

The other job you guessed at is found on a website that lists some clients of a specific company. To remind you which list, one of the entries lead you to find some advertisements involving vehicles. That's the easy one to find. The other thing in the list that you can search for leads you to some information about a local performance. That can help find the second person's job.

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Just finished this game after about 3 days of sleuthing.

10/10 - Would recommend to anyone who enjoys logic puzzles and/or genealogy.

It was so much fun! The puzzles and clues are spread out just far enough so that connecting them is a challenge, but still close enough so the solutions don't feel too obtuse or abstract. Even seemingly little details and jokes turn out to be useful branches that provide plenty of useful information. Some of the final details such as last of kin or some of the non-blood relation's names come down to process of elimination, but it never feels like brute forcing it.

The tone itself is also wonderful, a mix of sarcastic humor and just a slight edge of suspense. Personally I got a bit creeped out whenever our mysterious client showed up and I loved that unease. It reminds me of the game "HER" if you've ever played it, with how creepy the mood gets as more dark secrets are revealed.

If I was forced to give this game any criticism, matching the faces for the family photos (especially Free Spirits) was a little daunting at first, but once you manage to match a couple of faces to names, it becomes a process of elimination. Also, maybe adding the option to turn off "slow loading internet"?

Funny tangent: I was absolutely stumped for a while because I thought I had the remaining branches solved but wasn't making any progress. I finally realized that I had correctly deduced that someone was president of the Roottree Company, but I picked the wrong number. Chalk that up to my own tunnel-vision rather than poor UI.


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I immediately knew there was something up with the farmhand when I could take his picture from the photograph. I don't know if that final branch is supposed to be super difficult or just a bonus for those who have been paying attention, but between that and the one-off mention of "Mr. Miller", I had a feeling it was something to keep on the back-burner.

I can't figure out the controls to move on from the tutorial...

Once you fill in the three sisters correctly the tutorial will automatically move on, you don't need to do anything special.

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what an amazing game! I spent SO LONG on it, I could barely tear myself away from my computer.

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Yoooo I'm so close to finishing :) Only gotta guess the mystery names.

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"You stumble across an auction for a black and blue dress...the white and gold dress itself..." i see what you did there lolol

but really i looove this game. makes me feel very smart. amazing opening, amazing playlist, and amazing design!

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OMG the degauss button works!!

Yo, does anyone know how to zoom out lmao- also, does this game save??

Scroll wheel will zoom out once you're done with the tutorial.

The game should save but depending on browser and OS it has had some issues. The best way to be sure it is saving is to finish the tutorial, then to use the "save and quit" button in the settings. If you restart the game and don't have the ability to skip the scene with the news on TV, then the game is not saving properly.

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Fantastic game! I sent you $10 because it would easily be worth that on Steam. Congratulations on a great game, and best of luck to you!

Thank you very much!

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Wow, this was amazing! Very thorough and compelling mystery, and I kept wanting to uncover more! I like how it's like Obra Dinn with the confirming guesses, but also has a notebook for typing notes which helps me so much! And it was so fun searching through the different sources and finding new things to look through. Thanks so much for the game!

How do you use Periodicals?

After the tutorial ends you will see another sticky note on the computer that leads to a periodical search.

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I have created an account specifically to comment on this game. I have been hooked to my laptop for the last 2 days, as soon as I got off from work, trying to solve this. I think it's one of the most unique, well-thought and overall amazing games I have ever played and I loved every minute of it.

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I just cannot find Rhose's name on the drop down list and so can't get past the first step >.<

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Have you tried doing a search for Rhose Roottree in the search engine? There's a somewhat general hint there that gives you a push in the right direction when it comes to how to make discoveries in this game. 

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cant find it either

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When you do a search for Rhose Roottree in the search engine, there is a mention that you can sometimes find more information about people by searching for things like brand names associated with them. That will help you solve the first puzzle.

kk!

what brands do you look up?

When you search for the Roottree Sisters it mentions that they specifically have a job associated with one brand of clothing. That's a good place to look into.

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INCREDIBLE!! Sooo thoroughly well done. So exciting for anyone who loves a mystery game. If you liked Return of the Obra Dinn, this will scratch the same itch.

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this is the first ever comment i've left on a game, but i HAD to because this was such a well-done piece of work!! i did it all in like five straight hours and was straight glued to my laptop for 90% of that time. this is seriously a real gem and i got an immense amount of enjoyment out of this, so thank you for sharing!!! i never knew playing with fake family trees could be such a cool game, but i love research and puzzle-oriented gameplay, so this was perfect. so much love!

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- Second day... everything starts to become monochromatic. I have the company only of my cigar and my questions. Will I finally get to the bottom of this? - xD Awesome game. Thank you!

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I wish my gf showed me as much as love as this dev has shown this game

@jjhonston I specifically made an itchio account for the first time just to thank you for making an absolute masterpiece. I wish there was a way to let devs know that there's a market for handcrafting such experiences. Do you have a youtube channel or something? I feel like you're super good at game design and charming storytelling. I'd love to hear your thoughts on a channel, something like razbuten or joseph anderson. Just use AI voice or whatever if you're worried about privacy.

But yeah, this is like a once in a lifetime game, those you can never play again.

Time for the Constructive criticism part:

1. I thought there'd also be a chance to guess who the person who hired me was. It'd be nice if i could like select 3 possible people who i think it was, and i can check if i got it right. 

2. It is absolutely not clear to me that the list of names i have is a resource that can be used. Even though you set up a tab for it, there doesn't seem to be a reason that the detective would have a list of random names. And that is the reason that i avoided using it until i got very stuck. And when i did use it, it felt like i was "gaming the system".  Only later on discord, i found out that it is necessary to find many of the wives. So i think it should at least be made very clear that your benefactor has given you this list (maybe it can be given to you mid game?) and it IS TO BE USED for solving. 

But honestly, it would be way better to pick up breadcrumbs and arrive at their names, instead of a magical list being at your footsteps. When i played without using it, the game felt so much more natural.

3. A similar issue exists with the structure of the tree being given to you. This i suppose probably isn't an intended mechanic, but can definitely be used to "game the system". I suppose there should be a difficulty checkbox in settings that can be added, which hides the connection between two people (so if someone got divorced in the story, it's easy to see it's one of the people in the tree that are divorced). And also there can be some extra "children" or "spouse" slots, that are supposed to be confirmed as empty and non existent. This way, a player can't use the tree structure to see that "oh X had 2 kids? well it can't be this this and this because they only have 1 kid". 

It wouldn't have to make the game difficult because it's a setting that you can turn off. But currently, i hated how I could basically guess who X spot person was, but didn't know if i was gaming the system and kept looking for further evidence to confirm what i find before filling it in.

4. I didn't find the periodical in the tutorial. I feel like, the player can be guided towards that more, though maybe i'm just dumb. (Also, i kept waiting to find the legal periodical, with how many legal cases i kept finding. That'd be a nice addition.)

5. A lot of the details are guesstimates, where you really just guess that particular detail, but i assume you already intend to make those more deducible facts over time.

6. The game needs more red herrings. Like making you think that X's husband is Y because an article says they were dating or engaged, but later turns out, they broke up and married someone else. That kinda bait stuff.

7. In the long future, or a sequel if you ever plan it, a timeline system would be nice. Either for the notes, or for the tree requirement, or something similar. 

(Also, for the love of god, please make Home and End key work per line in the notes)

Spoiler marked constructive criticism, so do not read beyond if you haven't finished:

1.  Example of not using the names list limiting the experience of the game- I didn't find EJ's past because i never found her full name when i saw the article.  When i read the article that mentions her checkered past, i thought i don't know her full name, so i didnt search her up. Later i forgot about it.  So i ended up never finding it. I think EJ should have at least 1 more mention somewhere else.

2. In fact, the whole MR part of the family felt so underexplored. It seemed super interesting to me, yet felt like there was so little stuff on it, compared to so much drama and stuff to read on the other parts of the family. 

3. N's mom being AQ was just annoying to find out. But maybe others enjoyed it ig. I found it antithetical to everything else being based on realistic deduction, and this one you're supposed to solve as a joke.

3. LR's brothers, the 2 for whom you have to guess which is which, that also felt like guesswork. I know that one is supposed to look younger, but i just thought he is short. And just guessing because he's shorter, felt like it cheapened the game.

4. There were other issues, but those were my fault. But these issues didn't feel fair like the others. These felt like i was not told what i'm supposed to do, so i kept high expectations,  and was then disappointed. I'd rather just be told to do some guesswork or use the list.

Regardless, an absolutely amazing game. Easily one of the best I've ever played. Thank you for this.

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I do want to address that based on the design of the game, there are people you can't solve without the list and the tree structure. It think it would be a very different feeling game that would need many more clues without those aspects, it's not a setting I could just enable.

I could have made it clearer that the list you have came from the person that hired you, but it seemed to waste precious time during the tutorial and story which is already pretty text heavy.

On the bright side, I just spent an hour frantically googling and hacking together home and end functionality into the notes. It will hopefully be coming in an update pretty soon.

Hey, I appreciate the prompt attention to feedback. I'll be sure to definitely make any friends play this who i think would be interested. Hopefully you find the optimum build for the game you dreamt of :D

Ok now that I'm done with this, is there anywhere i can find a walkthrough for harm charm, level 5? I've spent hours trying what i think is every possible combination, but i cant seem to get it. I'm at the point that i was starting to teach Bard the various components of this game and hopefully it might work out an answer, but that is taking wayyyy longer than i thought. So any walkthroughs or something?

Thanks for everything!

It's really tricky because its the only level where you need to purposely call upon the dark art. The sequence is: Block rain fire block sap fire block block fire

Thanks a lot, I'm gonna go **** myself now. How did i not try something so simple (my best guess is that i kept assuming shielded damage becomes 30 not 20).

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Wow! That was excellent. Incredible work.  One of my favorite games I’ve played in a long time. 

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this is such a treasure! I cannot get over how well made and detailed this is I've been recommending it to anyone who will listen, excellent job!

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Just finished the game. Iv been working through it in spare time over the past few weeks and oh my god this is a MASTERPIECE. I have always been interested in things like this and it was absolutely facinating and so fun! Will def by sharing the game with anyone who will listen, LOVED this experience! Great job devs! Hoping for similar games in the future! :)

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i got so stuck i started going back and putting anything in quotes in the search bar and got this which fucking killed me thanks for bothering to make the stupidest of searches worth it

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Is that perhaps related to the Legendary Turbo Encabulator?
(Not talking about the game anymore, but the meme)

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This is obsessively fun for me.

I only got ridiculously stuck because I missed an entire ad campaign, but once I had that, it all fell into place.  I was right about the ending too.

Thank you for making such a fun game!

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Red herring... Nice lol

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for ai art im shocked at how consistent everything is. i was able to correctly differentiate the cousins and sisters on the second album cover because of how jim and diamond looked on the first

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learn to draw lmao

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hey jjjhonston just wondering if this game might be uploaded somewhere other than itch.io in the future, since itch is a pretty niche platform(compared to others) and this game is *wildly* underrated. if this where on somehere like steam i know it would garner so much more attention

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The game cannot be uploaded to Steam, due to its reliance on AI art.

So for me, releasing it for free on itchio was the option that made the most sense. I do have an exe version I give out on the discord for people that want a local copy, but generally, I plan to leave it here and playable in browser for as long as I am able.

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well then the only option i have is to thank you wholeheartedly for making this. i will follow your future work!

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This was a treat to play. It was fun and kept me invested in the story, and was also genuinely challenging. Did not anticipate that twist ending at all, though I guessed who the employer was. Some of the occupations I had to guess, but overall this was an incredible experience. I would pay money for this.

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this may have been my favorite game of 2023

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Help! The game froze after finding 9 blood relatives! I can tap the settings and it works but everything else is frozen!

I believe this may be caused by an adblocker or some other software that is preventing the game from running properly. I have been unable to reproduce this in the offline version of the game, and when it happens online people have mentioned that their browser console is spamming messages about elements being blocked.

I can get anyone with this problem an .exe version of the game, just follow the discord link in the main menu/settings menu.

I had the same issue (in firefox) and solved it by saving and quitting via the settings, then reloading the tab and quickly opening the notebook before the scene changed to the doorway+figure. It progressed from 6/9 to 9/18 relatives, and let me keep playing the game as usual. 

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This just helped me unfreeze the game 9 months later, thanks!

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Happy to help!

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This was so much fun. Thank you for this.

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This game was SO fascinating and scratched the itch in my brain perfectly. I work at a library and I'm totally sharing this with my coworkers. Love the genealogy aspect! I also accidentally stayed up until 3am playing this before remembering that I have a real job. Lmao. Seriously incredible work on this, I can't imagine how much time it must have taken to set all this up. Thanks for making it!

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loved it ! spent 5 hours holed up playing from start to finish lol

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A rather fun little experience, although I somehow ended up missing one of the magazines and an interview that would've made some things a lot easier on me!

I did figure out the secret and I also found the thing (took until my second reading of the entry to realize why nothing in there was cropping up in the in-game search engine!)

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Is there a way to download this and play it offline? Or at least a way to save it to a file? I just lost all my progress because the save didn't work.

People on the discord can get you an executable version of the game.

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May I ask what the Discord channel/link is? I'd also like to download it, but I don't know which Discord to go to.

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Sure, sorry that was unclear. The main menu of the game has a link that takes you straight to the game's discord. You can also find it in the settings menu.

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where the heck is rhose roottree's name

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I couldnt find it either.

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During the beginning of the game, when you do a search directly for Rhose Roottree there is a hint that will put you on the right path to finding her name.

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help where TT

It says to find more information about people search for the brands and products surrounding them. That's the hint that can help you find her.

Hint: Rhose is not her birth name, look up the companies that she involve in. Hope that help<33

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i cant see what companies iufgyvefeir

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This is amazing!! I love deduction games, especially where you have to look up different sources to find answers, and this knocked it out of the park!! 5 stars!! I could tell who the people in the secret locked area were, I just had to find out the last one's name! And it felt amazing when I found it out!! This was so satisfying to complete and I loved every second of it!! :D The only difficulty I would say is figuring out the pictures at some parts, but even then, it's still very satisfying when you get them correct! Love this game!!

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great game, but the pictures are so hard to associate with people. i had to brute force caroline morden becuase i had no idea how she looked like

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This was an unbelievably amazing experience and I am blown away.

I also undid the secret partially by accident. I thought that (whisper whisper) instead of (whisper whisper), but the game counted it as a win.

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Loved this. Wish the save system worked better or was more clear (I saved then closed the tab, then came back to the URL and i couldn't load anything, it started from the start, but anyway)

The story gripped me, I went into full Charlie Kelly mode,  linking threads between seemingly unrelated ideas, going "AHA!" when i was right.

Good game. Very good game. Thank you, Johnstons.

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sheeeit i was totally into this but then i accidentally deleted my notes and now i'm deflated

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If you come to the discord I won't be able to help you get your notes back, but I can get you an executable version of the game if it would prevent that from happening again if you'd like.

You can use CTRL+Z to undo your last action; I've deleted my notes an embarrassing number of times, but it's recoverable as long as you don't start typing again after

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